Saturday, October 01, 2005

Forced Resignation at FDNY - in Newsday

This post is to allow reader comments on the articles "Incoming FDNY Chaplain Forced to Resign After Doubting 9/11", Oct. 1st, and "Correction! Newsday Gets Selective!", Oct. 3rd. (To read'em follow the links.)


Anonymous C Thurston said...

The following is a letter I wrote yesterday to the NY Fire Commissioner via the community feedback area of the NYFD website. I submitted it under "complaints". They impose a 150 word limit to comments.

Dear Commissioner Scoppetta,
From my perspective as a non-New Yorker, forcing the resignation of an apparently good man like Imam Intikab Habib because of his views regarding 9/11 is both dishonest and cowardly.
It shows an alarming inclination toward bigotry and repression while YOU claim to be the one who is "offended" and "hurt".
No matter what NIST may say, overwhelming scientific evidence shows that the destruction of the Towers had nothing to do with the airplanes or the fires. And how do you explain WTC7?
It is a sad day in America when the survivors of a tragedy are more interested in blaming racial scapegoats than figuring out what actually happened.
Perpetuating the unproven, war-mongering Myth of 9/11 appears to be your highest priority, even at the expense of allowing individuals within your department to freely express their views.

10:34 PM  
Blogger billyboy43 said...

This is a letter and e-mail I sent to Newsday Oct. 4, 2005:
235 Pinelawn Rd., Melville, NY 11747-4250 October 4, 2005

I have been a reader of your online news articles for quite some time, especially those regarding Computer Associates of Islandia, N.Y., as they were my previous employer.
I was encouraged in the principles of the free press in this country when you published the following article on your website:
Sept. 11 conspiracy theories abound


October 1, 2005
Now I learn that you did not actually make this story available in print, so I wonder if my encouragement was premature.
On August 6, 2005, a UK mainstream newspaper, The Daily Mail published an article raising many of the serious concerns regarding the 9/11 cover-up.
It is puzzling that a UK newspaper will publish truthful, controversial items, while the main stream press in this country behaves as a pawn of the government. The official story of the 9/11/2001 attacks espoused by the U.S. government is itself a conspiracy theory. It's just that the conspiracy consist of Osama Bin Laden and 19 Arabs (15 from Saudia Arabia), and nothing was ever proved, as the site of the attacks was not treated as a crime scene, but all the evidence was shipped overseas.
Also consider this article, which has largely been ignored by America's main stream media:
Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'
Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications.
By Greg Szymanski
June 12, 2005
There are other facts surrounding the attacks of 9/11 which have never been reported to the American public, and they should be. Once presented with facts, the American people are capable of making up their own mind. Please be an instrument of the principle of the free press, and publish your article. At least, present the following facts, and let the people decide for themselves:
* FEMA was on the ground at Pier 92 (blocks from WTC) the day before the attack for a drill called TRIPOD II - how convenient.
* Cheney was in charge of all war games as per Bush's executive order and was actually conducting war games - which diverted the intercept planes to Canada to intercept a simulated attack from the North Pole, AND, simulating hi-jacked planes being run into buildings in New York and D.C.
* Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon when it was 'hit' telling a congress-person ,' we're gonna be hit again', when the attack there occurred.
* There are two films of the Pentagon attack from the service station nearby and the Marriot across the street, confiscated by the FBI, and America has not seen them.
* The plane over Pennsylvania was shot down - Rumsfeld 'mis-spoke' twice saying the terrorist shot it down, once after the Iraqi attack on the messhall in Mosul, Iraq.
* The site of the WTC was never treated as a crime scene and investigated, but all the evidence was sent overseas.
* The towers fell like a demolition job.
* Security for the towers was shut down the night before for hours, by a security company owned by a Bush cousin.
* A tower that wasn't even hit was demolished the next day. It looked like the other two.
* Bush was reading to kids in public view in Florida, and after being told the first tower was hit and we were under attack went back to reading. Had he thought it was a real attack, surely he would have reacted differently. And had the secret service thought it was a real attack, surely they would have rushed the President of the U.S. to a safe place, and not let him go on television until the attacks were addressed.
* Bush and Rice both publicly stated that nobody in this administration had any idea planes could be hijacked and run into buildings when they had war games to that affect.

Again thanks for your fairness to date.

9:23 AM  
Blogger Ringwind said...

Google: "Arrest Bush 41"

11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can't we talk about 9/11?

As someone who has spent a great deal of time looking at the facts about 9/11, one of the top three questions that have remained unanswered: why can't we talk about 9/11?

Anytime someone steps forward and questions the "official" 9/11, they are labeled a nut, personally slandered, fired, gagged; you get the picture. The official story is full of reasonable and legitimate questions that have not been answered. Due to the fact that 9/11 has, and will shape US policy for years, and perhaps decades, this event should be studied in the greatest of detail.

Newsday chose to pull the story from their print edition about the NYPD Champlain, Intkab Habib, why? Yet another chapter in the "can't talk about 9/11 saga?"

Wise and intellectual people want to understand things around them, be it scientifically, politically, or philosophically - probing the facts to get a better understanding of our world. Sadly ignoring or even burying the unanswered questions about 9/11 is more a chapter out of the Dark Ages than the Renaissance.

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pope John Paul II stated that he believed George W. Bush knew the 911 attacks were coming (and allowed it to happen) according to investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, in Canadian Catholic Newspaper. Every crooked thing under Bush has been so obvious, it borders on stupid! On 9/11/01, the skies were left wide open for a full ninety minutes allowing the attacks to take place. NORAD was nowhere around. WITHOUT QUESTION, BUSH KNEW ! ! !

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To NIck Levis:

I saw your remarks in Newsday, where you continue to prop up the official Big Lie, that planes brought down the towers.

With every day that passes, more and more mainstream figures come forward to reaffirm that, it makes much more sense, to realize that the Towers (and WTC7) were brought down by deliberate, controlled demolition.
Morgan Reynolds is not the only established figure to say so publicly.

By concealing or denying the truth of controlled demolition, you dishonor and negate the sacrifice and bravery of Kevin Ryan, who gave up his career to advance the truth.

I think this time you have exposed yourself completely.

You have got to be a conscious agent of disinformation.

Who is rewarding you for this ?

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an Episcopalian grandmother and I don't believe the 9/11 Commission's reported conclusions which reads more like a whitewash for the powers that be.
The story of the passport of one of the hijackers being found on a New York street after the World Trade Center towers fell is beyond belief, even for those who are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
I cannot understand how Building 7 collapsed, and I've asked over and over again, and no one can explain it.
George Bush sat and listened to 2nd graders read after being told we were under attack. Why wasn't he shocked into action? I was and I live in Southern California! I called all my children immediately.
When are the major media outlets going to "report" on the timeline of the War Games exercises that occupied most of the military on September 11, 2001?
I have so many unanswered questions connected to this event and can find no satisfaction within the media. When did journalists stop caring about printing the truth? Do they not realize the damage being done to our democracy? It is their country too.
After I read David Ray Griffin's "Errors and Omissions" my disbelief of the Commission's report was solidified. Maybe journalists should read that book. It might just spur them into action.
Thank you for listening to a granny rant.

Ms. Teddi Curtis
1027 Oakdale St
Corona, CA 92880

8:36 PM  
Anonymous erik said...

just sent this email to

The Bush Administration has never produced real evidence for its claim that Al Queda is solely responsible for the attacks on September 11. The official story quickly falls apart under many different lines of questioning. The evidence is overwhelming that numerous people in our government and private sector must have been directly involved in 911 and are maintaining a coverup now. This information is widely available on the web, DVDs, books and publications around the world. Every poll ever done on the subject shows that significant numbers of people doubt the official story. A Zogby poll 8/30/04 showed that 2/3 of New Yorkers want a new investigation; this means that likely tens of millions of Americans nationwide want a new investigation. Many people are still unaware of the evidence and the unanswered questions. Our Government and the Media, in a better position than the "little people" to know what really happened, are silent. The truth is the corporate-controlled media, Democrats and Republicans are a bigger threat to national security than Al Queda, and the People are going to force movement on this issue.

2:56 AM  
Anonymous C Thurston said...

This is a letter I wote to Newsday on 10/4 regarding the Habib resignation:

Dear Editors,

From my perspective as a non-New Yorker, the forced resignation of an apparently good man like Imam Intikab Habib, solely because of his views about 9/11, reflects very badly on the character of NYC and makes your fire commissioner look like a cowardly and dishonest servant of political power.

Habib is the one who has been "offended" and "hurt", not by anything he said, but by the alarming level of intolerance that his words have aroused.

People complain about re-opening the wounds of 9/11, but these wounds are never going to heal unless we cure the multiple infections of deception, cover-up and denial that have been interfering with our ability to cope with these events since the day they happened. How can we forget so quickly that the Myth of 911 has never officially been proven, or even subjected to an impartial investigation?

Even the simple fact that the entire mass of each Tower landed almost completely outside of its original footprint defies the official gravity-driven "pancaking collapse" theory in favor of highly energetic explosive destruction.

And how do we explain the perfect demolition-style implosion of WTC7? No wonder Habib has a few questions - a lot of people do. Americans all across the country, regardless of politics, religion or anything else, are beginning to wake up and take another look at 9/11, and the nearly unanimous conclusion is that most of what we were told is either unsubstantiated or directly contradicted by available evidence.

It is a sad day in America when the survivors of a tragedy are more interested in blaming scapegoats than figuring out what actually happened to their loved ones. If perpetuating the unproven, war-mongering Myth of 9/11 requires surrendering our right to free expression, then which of our cherished rights as Americans will be next?


I have an educational background in physics and engineering and have conducted an independent research effort into the science of the WTC destruction. I believe that our common social, political and psychological reactions to 9/11 are unsupported by the physical evidence. And since we have not yet identified the true perpetrators of this crime, we remain in grave danger.

5:54 PM  
Blogger Nicholas said...

A few people elsewhere think it's wrong to even mention Able Danger as this in some way reinforces the official story of hijackers.

Here's a sample in the comments to the campaign on

My response:

It's no surprise that "Blimp Pilot" thinks this way, he supports all the pod and hologram nonsense about the WTC planes. But I'd like to convince SomeBigGuy otherwise.

Able Danger does not reinforce the hijacker myth. It unravels it.

Certain people were presented as the perpetrators of 9/11.

The official story says they were unknown to US authorities beforehand.

Able Danger shows they were known.

It fits in with the blanket surveillance of these guys before 9/11 we already know about (by CIA, Mossad, German agencies).

This doesn't necessitate they were the real pilots or in involved in 9/11. But it proves the government knew its patsies beforehand.

And what about the Pentagon attack on the Able Danger whistleblowers? Since when is this not big news?

Is it a "limited hangout"? Certainly. Does it show a loose end that might unravel the whole myth?

I think so - a lot more reliably than some pixels you think show pods, missiles, or holograms.

And come on, don't you realize why Habib was singled out for this treatment?

McKinney's not on the front page as questioning 9/11 and she's in Congress.

Morgan Reynolds is not on the front page, though he was in the administration.

Griffin, Ruppert et al. are not on the front page, though they sell hundreds of thousands of books, are known academics, etc. etc.

Why does Habib make the front page?

Because it's an opportunity to single him out as a Muslim.

It's a good thing that 9/11 doubts were made public in this way.

But it's a distorted view.

2:13 PM  
Blogger Demitria Monde Thraam said...

Dear Editor,

There are, unfortunately, still a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theorists who seem bent on muddling the issues, shaming us all: the people who still believe a group called "al-Qaeda" attacked America, catching our military off guard. This is the "conspiracy theory". The ever-lengthening list of facts pointing to Bush Team foreknowledge of the event and deliberate failure to act at best - or premeditated complicity at worst - should be enough to send the Bush Team to trial...or to prison.

9/11 truthseekers aren't kooks; they're graduates from "conspiracy theory" to the next grade up: as transpiracy researchers, they ask questions, sift through the answers, and compare data with recorded fact. They do the job that the mass-media journalists refuse to do: discover what transpired, and report what they find.

The "tinfoil hat" view of 9/11 skepticism has steadily been ending, as holes in the lie - huge enough to fly about four planes through - grow larger still, eroding belief in the story the Bush Team so desperately wants us to believe. People like Inkitab Habib--the NY Fire Dept. chaplain forced to resign after questioning the al-Qaeda myth are the new "9/11 heroes", people who sacrifice their livelihoods to bring truth to light, to force the questions that will set the lies to rest, and put the true terrorist masterminds where they belong.

Four years have shown us, with an increasing amount of factual data, that 9/11's perps aren't Muslims or foreigners, and they do not "hate America", though they must still "hate us for our freedoms", or why else would they be so bent on ending them?

D.Monde Thraam
[+ contact info]

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I continue to be appalled that Americans (especially the news media) have given up their right to question what happened on 911. Many of us now know that the 911 attacks were not committed by some group of Muslims but by members of our own government at the highest levels. We also now know that the 911 Investigation Committee was obviously extremely incompetent or knowingly participated in a cover-up. Why? Because in many cases vital evidence and witnesses were not examined, and critical evidence and statements provided to the Commission were discarded or ignored. We also know that certain actions by administration officials (Ms. Rice and Mr. Ashcroft among others)clearly indicated that they knew that it would be dangerous to fly on that date, but the Commission never pursued inquiry into these actions. Tapes that probably depicted the object that struck the Pentagon were seized by the FBI but have never been released nor reported on by the Commission. Why? Because they will probably show that it was not a 757 that hit the Pentagon but a "missile" (a USA missile). There are dozens of anomalies that happened before, during and after the "alleged" attacks that the Bush administration doesn't want fully examined and the only reason for that is they are guilty of complicity in the acts themselves! They apparently needed a "Pearl Harbor" type event as an excuse to invade Iraq and that world region. Now it appears that they through their surrogates are attempting to silence those who would question those events. It is wrong and it is not the American way and eventually the traitors will be identified and brought to justice!

5:47 PM  
Blogger Nicholas said...

A response to "anonymous" above, claiming I am "gatekeeping" demolitions evidence.

This is an untrue rumor, propagated recently by Wing-TV and Nico Haupt, who have specialized in attacking 9/11 activists.

The contrary is shown in the following:

I am participating in organizing the event by NY 9/11 Truth in NYC this weekend, with David Ray Griffin arguing for demolition theory.

Willie Rodriguez and Craig Hill were both guests at the demonstration sponsored by NY 9/11 Truth in New York on 9/11/2005.

Here is the front page of "Not The New York Times," which I wrote, and which was distributed at the 9/11/2005 protest:

Note the caption to the picture of a "squib" at the South Tower, and the headlines on the right.

Report on that demonstration, which includes links to arguments Towers and WTC 7 were demolished:

Search of "demolition" at

I posted many of the above articles. Note that one of them is by Morgan Reynolds, which puts to rest any idea that wishes to "censor" him.

Appendix to Justice for 9/11 complaint to Spitzer on World Trade Center 7, which I wrote:

Wing-TV and Haupt are fabricators. They can't tolerate anyone's free speech but their own. The only thing apparently that would satisfy them would be a reproduction of their own faulty "research" on every other 9/11-related site.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody has put in a word for poor Newsday, so I will.

The evil perpetrators of Sep 11 events are still at large.
These people weild much pwer and are cold blooded ruthless.
Careers, even lives, are being paid by opposers.

As far as we can acertain, God has not struck these liars down.
Since we do not want to be struck down, or our have our business closed down, we have decided not to oppose the perpertrators of the sep 11 events.

We do not pretend to be followers of Jesus, so will not lose our lives for truth.


11:07 PM  

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